Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroshi Takeyasu

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The result was delete. —SpacemanSpiff 06:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hiroshi Takeyasu[edit]

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Fails notability and WP:BLP due to lack of reliable secondary sources detailing the person. Contested prod. Izno (talk) 00:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete blp with no sources plus not even an assertion of notability plus no sources findable by me (let alone ones that would establish notability) equals delete.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. Gongshow ^Talk 02:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. -- Pcap ping 02:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Pcap ping 02:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I can't find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Glenfarclas (talk) 03:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If this is rescued somehow, please leave me a note on my talk page. JBsupreme (talk) 05:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and all of the above (even Bali ultimate ;) ). Fails notability. Airplaneman ^talk 22:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't delete : I have found a couple of reliable sources for some material, such as theUS patent office and the beatmania series on the Konami sites. I am having difficulty with ReR refs as per his other AKA's also but am sure that this can be corrected fairly soon tonight. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neither the website of this person's employer nor the US patent office are reliable sources to establish notalbity for a wikipedia article. Ever.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And did I say they were ? Chaosdruid (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You said don't delete and then mentioned two irrelevant sources that do nothing to advance the discussion. You also said they are reliable sources. They're not. Please read wikipedia's policy on reliable sources.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can always start a new [helpful] copy in your userspace. As it stands now, the article plainly fails WP:N. I would be willing to look over the sources you find for the article, but none of the current citations indicate his notability (and imdb and vgmdb are not reliable sources to boot).
Re Bali: Don't be bitey, please. --Izno (talk) 00:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bali's response was quite fair as well as informative. Sometimes you have to use bold to get your point across. JBsupreme (talk) 01:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I said they were reliable, I did not say they established notariety. The Wikipedia:Notability_(music) states under the "other" section:-

4 Has composed a number of melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable genre, or tradition or school within a notable genre.

I used IMDB and the Konami refs as proof that he was notable in the computer game music genre and the vmbd to show his works. I cannot stress enough how I do not speak/read Japanese and so cannot use any possible japanese refs.

Thanks for the bitey bit as I am indeed feeling very bitten and bali was more rude than bold - I appreciate that it may fail notability without further sources as I cannot read Japanese I cannot establish much detail on his Japnese musical career.

All I was asking was for a hold of a couple of days or so and that is not that unreasonable. It is rather daunting for editors to try and stop the wheels of deletion at the best of times. Feel free to userify it if the delete is not stopped.

Chaosdruid (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

imdb and vgmdb cannot be used as reliable sources (I would invite you to search for imdb on WP:RS/N's archives). The patent is an interesting cite, but it only proves existence, and not that the man is notable.

Re Japanese refs: A problem we run into on Wikipedia. Drop a note on WT:WikiProject Japan to see if they can help any.

As for a hold, this AfD doesn't end until the 5th. You have plenty of time to get some help. :)

Re JB: 1) Using bold can be seen as shouting (I much prefer italics to show emphasis to make sure people don't take me the wrong way), and 2) I felt there are other problems than the bold in his statement. I just left a friendly reminder anyhow. --Izno (talk) 17:15, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is everybody ignoring WP:MUSIC ? You are all quoting quoting WP:BIO and WP:BLP but these do not cover musicians...Chaosdruid (talk) 00:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they do apply. WP:BLP is the content issue, and WP:BIO is the notability issue. WP:MUSIC is just a subset of WP:BIO - generally by default at AFD, when dealing with people, we refer to BIO for notability, or one of the more specific pages. In essence, BIO already asks "are there awards, significant reliable coverage?", while MUSIC goes into a bit more detail about charting singles, etc. Still, BIO is the primary one, and it'd be fine to refer to either.

FWIW, Takeyasu is more of a composer/producer instead of a performer. MUSIC applies to both, but moreso used with performers for some reason. Best, JamieS93 16:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and Bali. Not seeing any reliable sources that show any true notability. Jack Merridew 23:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There apprears to be a lack of reliable sources. Stormbay (talk) 04:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as Stormbay says. Imdb for example, is not a very good source to use as a reference.--^Trust_Me^THROW! 06:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Searching under the Japanese spelling "竹安弘" might produce better results. SharkD Talk 09:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Having searched the usual venues, I cannot find reliable sources to satisfy WP:BLP or meet WP:BIO notability standards. JamieS93 22:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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